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		<title>Af: Isabella Lo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabella Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 08:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for Frank&#039;s link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuaxukNAZ8 of Alan November. What&#039; alarming is there&#039;s nothing new. And I don&#039;t think there&#039;s many that will debate against him or Ken Robinson. Our common sense will say, of course we shouldn&#039;t educate our kids for the industrial age. We have to prepare them for today&#039;s job market requirement. If not for tomorrow.  If you ask parents, educators, legislator/politician. They will (almost) all agree on this BASIC principles. 

Yet, what have we done so far?

Covering the wound, treating the symptom, making incremental change in law, etc. will not serve our kids nor the future any good.

What kind of competence (vs. knowledge) we want our kids to develop (vs. to have) as they are creating (vs. To cope with) the future? 

What&#039;re your answer? What have you done or seen other people doing as example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for Frank&#8217;s link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuaxukNAZ8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuaxukNAZ8</a> of Alan November. What&#8217; alarming is there&#8217;s nothing new. And I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s many that will debate against him or Ken Robinson. Our common sense will say, of course we shouldn&#8217;t educate our kids for the industrial age. We have to prepare them for today&#8217;s job market requirement. If not for tomorrow.  If you ask parents, educators, legislator/politician. They will (almost) all agree on this BASIC principles. </p>
<p>Yet, what have we done so far?</p>
<p>Covering the wound, treating the symptom, making incremental change in law, etc. will not serve our kids nor the future any good.</p>
<p>What kind of competence (vs. knowledge) we want our kids to develop (vs. to have) as they are creating (vs. To cope with) the future? </p>
<p>What&#8217;re your answer? What have you done or seen other people doing as example?</p>
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		<title>Af: Isabella Lo</title>
		<link>http://kolindkuren.dk/2009/10/31/skoledebat-fem-ting-jeg-har-l%c3%a6rt/comment-page-1/#comment-254582</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabella Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 07:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nearly one million children in the United States are potentially misdiagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder simply because they are the youngest -- and most immature -- in their kindergarten class, according to new research.&quot;

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100817103342.htm?sms_ss=reddit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nearly one million children in the United States are potentially misdiagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder simply because they are the youngest &#8212; and most immature &#8212; in their kindergarten class, according to new research.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100817103342.htm?sms_ss=reddit" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/re....._ss=reddit</a></p>
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		<title>Af: Isabella Lo</title>
		<link>http://kolindkuren.dk/2009/10/31/skoledebat-fem-ting-jeg-har-l%c3%a6rt/comment-page-1/#comment-254559</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabella Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lærere: Drop lov om uopdragne børn
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2010/11/26/070911.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lærere: Drop lov om uopdragne børn<br />
<a href="http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2010/11/26/070911.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indla.....070911.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Af: Isabella Lo</title>
		<link>http://kolindkuren.dk/2009/10/31/skoledebat-fem-ting-jeg-har-l%c3%a6rt/comment-page-1/#comment-254558</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabella Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This morning in the radio news. The Education Ministry is ready to LEGISLATE that parents have to fetch their kids from school if they&#039;re disturbing the lesson. 

Why are some students cannot sit still in the class? What kind of teaching model do we need so we can match their learning model?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning in the radio news. The Education Ministry is ready to LEGISLATE that parents have to fetch their kids from school if they&#8217;re disturbing the lesson. </p>
<p>Why are some students cannot sit still in the class? What kind of teaching model do we need so we can match their learning model?</p>
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		<title>Af: Frank Calberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Calberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listening to Sir Ken Robinson, I learned, for example, that we need to &lt;b&gt;individualize education&lt;/b&gt;. In other words, we need to move away from standardization. Listen, for example, at minute 40 and minute 54 in the first interesting talk, Isabella kindly links to.

Ladies and gentlemen: I think it’s urgent to speed up this change. To all teachers / coaches / professors / facilitators / moderators / development helpers / learning guides / learning architects: &lt;b&gt;Just do it&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening to Sir Ken Robinson, I learned, for example, that we need to <b>individualize education</b>. In other words, we need to move away from standardization. Listen, for example, at minute 40 and minute 54 in the first interesting talk, Isabella kindly links to.</p>
<p>Ladies and gentlemen: I think it’s urgent to speed up this change. To all teachers / coaches / professors / facilitators / moderators / development helpers / learning guides / learning architects: <b>Just do it</b>.</p>
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		<title>Af: Isabella Lo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabella Lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of Sir Ken Robinson&#039;s brilliant speech about education:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCbdS4hSa0s&amp;feature=channel

(His speech about education starts at 13:00)

A better version is the animated version but only last for ca. 11 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U&amp;feature=channel

Enjoy and be inspired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of Sir Ken Robinson&#8217;s brilliant speech about education:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCbdS4hSa0s&amp;feature=channel" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=channel</a></p>
<p>(His speech about education starts at 13:00)</p>
<p>A better version is the animated version but only last for ca. 11 minutes:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U&amp;feature=channel" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=channel</a></p>
<p>Enjoy and be inspired.</p>
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		<title>Af: Frank Calberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Calberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her er et interessant blogindlæg med titlen “Blending education and design”. Jeg bemærkede bl.a følgende sætning: ”Let us begin with what the learner needs.” 

http://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/12/blending-education-and-design.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her er et interessant blogindlæg med titlen “Blending education and design”. Jeg bemærkede bl.a følgende sætning: ”Let us begin with what the learner needs.” </p>
<p><a href="http://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/12/blending-education-and-design.html" rel="nofollow">http://educationinnovation.typ.....esign.html</a></p>
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		<title>Af: Per Feldvoss Olsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per Feldvoss Olsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank 
Jeg holder mig lige til Dansk.To ting for det første er det korrekt hvad Bo tidligere påpeger, at &quot;teknik&quot; kan ødelægge processen. Altså løser et Wiki eller en PC til alle ikke middelbart vores problemer - alene.

Mit bud på dit spørgsmål er altså, at den drivende faktor er en modenhed/erkendelse inden for den knowhow jeg hele tiden taler om! Hvem der skal gøre det er principielt sekundært, men det vil umiddelbart være eleverne selv, som har lettest ved at udfolde denne knowhow til sig. Pointen er at der ikke skal så meget &quot;ekstra&quot; til - altså ingen politiske dagsordner. 

Bagrund: Jeg er ikke tilhænger at revolutioner, men af positive revolutioner. Hvilket vil sige at en revolution ikke skal betyde ændringer for &#039;folk i almindelighed&#039; - forandringer er altså konsekvensen af forbedringer der slog fejl! Allan Novembers bud er derfor helt i tråd med hvad der allerede foregår i børnehøjde, altså hvis vi giver eleverne muligheden så samarbejder de. Enhver der træder ind i skolens spille/computer rum vil opleve dette &quot;live&quot;. Denne vilje til samarbejde, og til at skabe, kan sættes i system. Det er for mig at se ganske væsentligt at sige at der ikke er tale om et &quot;behov&quot;, men at der er en individuel vilje til at skabe noget værdifuldt som vi &#039;ikke&#039; kan forudse - noget som vi kan for-styre hvis vi prøver at styre. (**  

Det vi ønsker er altså at eleverne selv kan opfinde sociale løsninger, som nok er noget af det sværeste der findes. 

Den afgørende faktor er ganske simpelt, nemlig at finde nogle fælles &#039;redskaber&#039; som kan læres. De findes inden for musikken, de finde i form af det skrevne ord, tallene og med samme enkel teknik kan vi lære børnene selv at bruge deres vilje til samarbejde (med mere) på den positiv måde. 
Vh Per 
(**I sin negative form bliver dette til en indadvendt narcissistiske aktivitet, fx visse former for coaching eller &quot;selvudvikling&quot;. Der er også en masse mellemformer, men i sin mest positive form bliver udviklingen en &#039;totalt&#039; udadvendt aktivitet, som skaber en eller anden værdi for fællesskabet. Eksemplificeret via Blachmann kan vi godt se at geniet ikke selv kan fortælle os præcis hvad han gør, og måske slet ikke hvordan andre kan gøre det samme for et andet felt. Det er heller ikke forventeligt da vi &#039;ikke kan&#039; analysere/forklare alle menneskelige sammenspil. Peter Bastian har i øvrigt været inde på mange af de samme spor, men er desværre endt helt ude i hampen, med nogle meget sympatiske og &#039;intelligent&#039; analyser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank<br />
Jeg holder mig lige til Dansk.To ting for det første er det korrekt hvad Bo tidligere påpeger, at &#8220;teknik&#8221; kan ødelægge processen. Altså løser et Wiki eller en PC til alle ikke middelbart vores problemer &#8211; alene.</p>
<p>Mit bud på dit spørgsmål er altså, at den drivende faktor er en modenhed/erkendelse inden for den knowhow jeg hele tiden taler om! Hvem der skal gøre det er principielt sekundært, men det vil umiddelbart være eleverne selv, som har lettest ved at udfolde denne knowhow til sig. Pointen er at der ikke skal så meget &#8220;ekstra&#8221; til &#8211; altså ingen politiske dagsordner. </p>
<p>Bagrund: Jeg er ikke tilhænger at revolutioner, men af positive revolutioner. Hvilket vil sige at en revolution ikke skal betyde ændringer for &#8216;folk i almindelighed&#8217; &#8211; forandringer er altså konsekvensen af forbedringer der slog fejl! Allan Novembers bud er derfor helt i tråd med hvad der allerede foregår i børnehøjde, altså hvis vi giver eleverne muligheden så samarbejder de. Enhver der træder ind i skolens spille/computer rum vil opleve dette &#8220;live&#8221;. Denne vilje til samarbejde, og til at skabe, kan sættes i system. Det er for mig at se ganske væsentligt at sige at der ikke er tale om et &#8220;behov&#8221;, men at der er en individuel vilje til at skabe noget værdifuldt som vi &#8216;ikke&#8217; kan forudse &#8211; noget som vi kan for-styre hvis vi prøver at styre. (**  </p>
<p>Det vi ønsker er altså at eleverne selv kan opfinde sociale løsninger, som nok er noget af det sværeste der findes. </p>
<p>Den afgørende faktor er ganske simpelt, nemlig at finde nogle fælles &#8216;redskaber&#8217; som kan læres. De findes inden for musikken, de finde i form af det skrevne ord, tallene og med samme enkel teknik kan vi lære børnene selv at bruge deres vilje til samarbejde (med mere) på den positiv måde.<br />
Vh Per<br />
(**I sin negative form bliver dette til en indadvendt narcissistiske aktivitet, fx visse former for coaching eller &#8220;selvudvikling&#8221;. Der er også en masse mellemformer, men i sin mest positive form bliver udviklingen en &#8216;totalt&#8217; udadvendt aktivitet, som skaber en eller anden værdi for fællesskabet. Eksemplificeret via Blachmann kan vi godt se at geniet ikke selv kan fortælle os præcis hvad han gør, og måske slet ikke hvordan andre kan gøre det samme for et andet felt. Det er heller ikke forventeligt da vi &#8216;ikke kan&#8217; analysere/forklare alle menneskelige sammenspil. Peter Bastian har i øvrigt været inde på mange af de samme spor, men er desværre endt helt ude i hampen, med nogle meget sympatiske og &#8216;intelligent&#8217; analyser.</p>
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		<title>Af: Frank Calberg</title>
		<link>http://kolindkuren.dk/2009/10/31/skoledebat-fem-ting-jeg-har-l%c3%a6rt/comment-page-1/#comment-243579</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s another relevant contribution from Alan November emphasizing that change in the way education is done needs to happen – the sooner the better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuaxukNAZ8 

As I understand Mr. November’s message, he talks about the need to move from “command-and-control” to focus on, for example, individual needs and collaboration.

A question to you: 
Who needs to continuously try new things out to create the urgently needed change? The coaches/teachers/helpers, the students/participants/learners, the parents, the school administration, managers at companies for which students work/will work? 

As I see it, the need to renew education is so strong, that everyone needs to participate in developing / innovating education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s another relevant contribution from Alan November emphasizing that change in the way education is done needs to happen – the sooner the better <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuaxukNAZ8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuaxukNAZ8</a> </p>
<p>As I understand Mr. November’s message, he talks about the need to move from “command-and-control” to focus on, for example, individual needs and collaboration.</p>
<p>A question to you:<br />
Who needs to continuously try new things out to create the urgently needed change? The coaches/teachers/helpers, the students/participants/learners, the parents, the school administration, managers at companies for which students work/will work? </p>
<p>As I see it, the need to renew education is so strong, that everyone needs to participate in developing / innovating education.</p>
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		<title>Af: Frank Calberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Calberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeg kom forbi en interessant samtale med Alan November, som bl.a. taler om brug af Google Docs

http://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/essential-education-myths-and-opportunities-technology-in-the-classroom-by-alan-november.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeg kom forbi en interessant samtale med Alan November, som bl.a. taler om brug af Google Docs</p>
<p><a href="http://educationinnovation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/essential-education-myths-and-opportunities-technology-in-the-classroom-by-alan-november.html" rel="nofollow">http://educationinnovation.typ.....ember.html</a></p>
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